Re: Question re. Op Scan error rates vs. Punch Card error rates

The intent of HAVA, IMHO, is to get rid of the
Votamatic punch card system and similar. Got to get
back to work. Is anyone seriously proposing that
we use a punch card system? Also, as Doug pointed
out, the actual error for op-scan is under 1% which is
pretty darn good.

Thanks, Ed Kennedy

--- Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/16/05, Edmund R. Kennedy <ekennedyx@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello:
> >
> > Punch card systems are now illegal.
>
> I don't believe this is true. I don't have time to
> explain but I
> would challenge (in good spirit, of course) Ed to
> elaborate a bit
> here. True, if a jurisdiction accepted money to
> upgrade under HAVA,
> they would ditch their punchcards... but if a
> jurisdiciton doesn't
> accept HAVA money and can meet the mandatory minimum
> requirements
> under HAVA (which they can even do with educational
> materials),
> they're fine.
>
> > They are
> > comparing apples and oranges. Also, the error
> rate
> > sounds suspiciously high. Demand to see detailied
> > test information and say that without such, their
> > statement must be ignored. The numbers could have
> > easily just been pulled out of someone's
> posterior.
> >
> > Additionally, if someone drops back on the above
> > challenge and trys to say that op-scan is less
> > accurate than DRE, ask them to explain how they
> can
> > tell with a system that leaves no audit trail.
> >
> > Finally, ask them why on earth they prefer such an
> > expensive system ($7-8k per 100 voters plus GEMS
> > software, etc.) that also has such a continuing
> 'bad
> > smell' around it?
> >
> > HTH, Ed Kennedy
> >
> > --- Kathy Dopp <kathy@uscountvotes.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you very much to those who gave me the
> answers
> > > I needed re.
> > > Diebold's redundancy.
> > >
> > > I also need help with this:
> > >
> > > Utah's Lt. Governor also claims that
> > >
> > > "The average optical scan system error rate was
> > > 5.69%, far worse than
> > > the average punchcard error rate of 3.83%"
> > >
> > > Can anyone please help me rebut that?
> > >
> > > THANK YOU!
> > >
> > > It is difficult to keep up with all the stuff
> > > happening in Utah and try
> > > to work to get the National Election Data
> Archive
> > > off the ground too. I
> > > still have more to report from the NASED
> conference
> > > too when I get a chance.
> > >
> > > FYI, I will post all the UT Lt. Governor's
> > > statements and my responses
> > > at
> http://utahcountvotes.org/Response2Herbert.pdf by
> > > tomorrow some time.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Kathy
> > > http://utahcountvotes.org
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