Re: California SB 1438

That is for auditability... if there is a descrepancy, someone had
better know why. Granted, this was a large topic of our conversation
today with the CA SoS's staff in Sacramento... I'll send on notes
about that probably tomorrow since Alan will be in transit to Utah.
-Joe

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:06:33 -0600, Charlie Strauss <cems@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Okay then a strawman question: what is the reconcilation step for. If
> you say it is not part of the official record is it meaningless then?
> Obviously not, so maybe those stored electronic records count for
> something. Saying OVC is purely a ballot printer misses part of the
> picture. That was my point.
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2004, at 10:25 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
>
> > Which is the official record of the vote? In the OVC system the paper
> > is by definition (the thing the voter verifys) the official record...
> > in DREs an electronic record of some sort is the official record of
> > the vote. This is why the OVC system is out of the scope of the
> > AVVPAT regs. -Joe
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:17:55 -0600 (GMT-06:00), charlie strauss
> > <cems@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> While I agree with your definition, I think the ballot reconciliation
> >> step is being overlooked in the discussion. In that step the stored
> >> electronic records are compared to the paper ones. Not that this
> >> makes it a DRE per se, but it still does entail electronic records
> >> storage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Douglas W. Jones" <jones@cs.uiowa.edu>
> >> Sent: Jul 12, 2004 9:14 AM
> >> To: voting-project@lists.sonic.net
> >> Subject: Re: [voting-project] California SB 1438
> >>
> >> On Jul 11, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Monday 28 June 2004 10:30 am, Douglas W. Jones wrote:
> >>>> The important thing is that the
> >>>> records of votes are stored electronically for some interval before
> >>>> they are printed or otherwise converted to durable human-readable
> >>>> records.
> >>>
> >>> Wouldn't the OVC's scheme qualify as a DRE under this definition?
> >>
> >> OK, time to refine my definition:
> >>
> >> The important thing is that the records of votes are stored
> >> electronically for some interval before they are printed or
> >> otherwise converted to durable human-readable records, and
> >> as a result, the voter never has a chance to inspect or
> >> approve the human-readable record of his or her vote.
> >>
> >> Doug Jones
> >> jones@cs.uiowa.edu
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> > UC Berkeley, SIMS PhD Student
> > http://pobox.com/~joehall/
> > blog: http://pobox.com/~joehall/nqb/
> >
>
>

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Joseph Lorenzo Hall
UC Berkeley, SIMS PhD Student
http://pobox.com/~joehall/
blog: http://pobox.com/~joehall/nqb/
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